Everyone seems to love our theme song, Oh, House of
Israel by Jonathan David Brown. We recently obtained a limited supply of
the CD this song is taken from. Just click
click the CD album cover displayed on our
website sidebar to order yours.
Some of you noticed in my last program that I didn't
pronounce "Shavuot" like an Israeli. So true. Like many of you, I'm still
working to improve my pronunciation of Hebrew words. To hear "Shavuot"
spoken by an Israeli, visit the post for
program #229, where
I have included a sound file of the word Shavuot as spoken by a
native Israeli female.
Listener Q + A
Protestant Churches of God?
Brother Eliyahu & Dawn, After hearing one of your broadcasts on
JC Talk, Am1220 KPJC in Salem Oregon, I checked out your website and was
very excited about what you had to say. I listened to the first broadcast,
and was even more excited, then the second, and now I'm a little stumped in
regard to what I think you're saying about the Church. I can see the truth
in its being Greco-Roman in influence, but I don't get the idea that the
Church was never sanctioned by God. Are you saying all the protestant
Churches are not of God? At first I was thinking you were saying that God
sanctioned the Churches up until Israel became a nation. I was excited about
that. But now I get the impression you are saying that God has never
sanctioned any Christian Protestant Churches? Do you think God is not there
at all? What about the Churches that Paul and others founded in the
beginning? What about the Churches Yeshua wrote His revelations to? Were
they Jewish and not of Greco-Roman influence? I'll listen to the second
message on "Is the Church Israel" another time or two because I probably
missed some points but can you help me with these questions please ?
- Protestant Churches of God?
Thanks for writing. I'm very
sympathetic to the difficulties a person faces upon first digging
into our materials. This is due to the problem of shifting to a new
paradigm while having a lot of the old paradigm still in place. I
promise, as you just keep moving forward this will all start making
I don't want to say too much here since the programs explain all
this in detail as you move through them. However, I will make a few
clarifying comments in answer to your questions.
To understand this fully you must make a distinction between the
individual believer and the larger system in which the believer
First, on the level of the individual believer, everyone who puts
faith in the Son of God and follows Him is "saved" - regardless of
what group they may otherwise belong to. That's because salvation is
an individual thing involving a relationship between the individual
and God through His Son. That being the case, there is no doubt that
millions of Protestants in many denominations are "saved." Nothing
that I am teaching changes that.
The question I am dealing with has to do with believers AS A GROUP.
Today we often call that group "the Church." But, is the definition
that has come to be commonly accepted of "the Church" identical with
God's definition of "the Church?" In other words, is "the Church" a
Gentile group separate from Biblical Israel, as is commonly assumed?
The short answer is that "the Church" that we find in the NT is NOT
separate, but is in fact identical with believing Israel. It was
never intended to be a Gentile group. Gentiles were admitted into
believing Israel by being "grafted in" to believing Israel. Upon
doing so they became "naturalized" Israelites, so that Israel/the
Church retained its Israelite identity and character. It was not
founded as a Gentile group nor was it to function according to
Gentile ways. This is the NT "True Church" if you will, as
experienced and taught by the apostles, including Paul. (See Romans
So how did we go from that reality to re-defining "the Church" as a
Gentile group separate from Israel? The short answer is, rebellion.
As the numbers of Gentile believers came to outnumber Israelite
believers the Gentiles brought in their Greco-Roman ideas with them.
In course of time they marginalized and eventually even rejected
their Israelite brethren, establishing a new Gentile organization of
believers which continued to call itself "the Church." Only, it
wasn't the Church (believing Israel) that Messiah had inaugurated.
That majority Gentile group had rejected the Israelite order and
character of the original "Israel/Church" in favor of a new sort of
organization expressing Greco-Roman ways and values. In the 4th
century this apostate "Church" crystallized into the Roman Catholic
Church - a false religion that dominated Gentile Christians for over
a thousand years.
The Protestant reformation managed to restore some important truth,
but never did return the people of God to the "True Church" -
believing Israel - of the NT. Protestant religion has continued
teaching the myth of a Gentile Church separate from Israel, not
knowing any better. Spiritually speaking, a Gentile Church does not
exist, at least in God's sight, since that structure is not of Him
but is of man. So does that mean that God is not to be found in the
churches? As long as real believers are there He will be there with
them. That does not mean He approves their separation from Israel as
part of the Gentile "Church." Even now He calls to them, saying "Get
out of her, My people!" As more and more believers hear the call
they will flee from man-made religion and be grafted into believing
Israel, to become one body once again. This is the big item underway
on the prophetic time-clock right now.
This gives you an overview that I hope you will find helpful. As you
go through our programs and books this will be fleshed out for you
with a solid foundation of historical information and Scripture. It
is a lot to digest at first, so just take it a bit at a time and
pretty soon the true picture will become as plain as day. There is
nothing to fear here. As Paul rightly says; "The Lord knows who are
With this new program we are getting back to the
"Signs in the Sky" series of programs. The entire program this
week is about the NAZIs, their occult origins and their
connection with the space effort. There is history here that I
think you will find both fascinating and troubling. Most
important though, this history is very relevant to our current
series theme and will allow you to see the space effort in its
true light - more correctly, in its true darkness.
Blessings and Shalom,
Eliyahu ben David